The Ethics of Old Testament Genocide and Radical Islamic Jihad


jesus-ballet.jpgjesus-golf-1.jpgThe Old Testament stories, if presented accurately in their fullness, would not make very good Family Focus Films. These stories contain incidents of rape, brutal murder, cannibalism, and the slaughter of women and infants, to name a few. We tend to gloss over these stories usually because they don’t seem very spiritually uplifting or spiritually relevant. (Or perhaps they disturb our picture of a God who plays with ballerinas and teaches them how to play golf). Nevertheless, there are several good reasons (though not the only reasons) why we should pay attention to these passages in Scripture.

If we are honest, we have to say that we find it initially disturbing that God would command the slaughter of entire people groups. This realization should cause us to reflect on the ethical implications of these commands (if it does not, then you are reading your Old Testament too “devotionally”).

Another reason we should reflect on the ethical implications is that this is a favorite topic that critics and skeptics like to raise as an argument against the Christian faith (and telling them what Jesus did for you won’t answer this objection).

Consider the practice of the Israelites that God commanded in Numbers 31:7-18:

7 They warred against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every male. 8 They killed the kings of Midian with the rest of their slain, Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian. And they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. 9 And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and they took as plunder all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. 10 All their cities in the places where they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, 11 and took all the spoil and all the plunder, both of man and of beast. 12 Then they brought the captives and the plunder and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the people of Israel, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho. 13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chiefs of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp. 14 And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 Moses said to them, Have you let all the women live? 16 Behold, these, on Balaam’s advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.

The women and children and livestock were spared, but in the end everthing had to be entirely destroyed – including women, children, and livestock.

Now, that people would do such things should come as no surprise. But what do we say about a God that would command the slaughter of infants?

I think this question has been sufficiently answered by many people. You’ll hear things such as: God is the giver and taker of life. No one can place God under moral obligation. All of humanity deserves his wrath and thus he justified in executing it. When he withholds destruction from us he has done what is merciful not what he is morally obligated to do. Furthermore, the Israelites were his instruments for God’s judgment of the wickedness of these people groups.

All fine answers as far as they go.

My concern, however, is whether it is possible to explain God’s command in a way that would not at the same time give license the practice of jihad or holy war in Islam. (Some bloggers have attempted to answer this question but fail to do so). Given everything that we commonly say to defend God’s divine command for destruction, couldn’t a radical Muslim use the same defense for the slaughter of people groups? The Israelites believed they were under divine command to slaughter the men, women, children, and livestock of surrounding people groups and there are millions of Muslims who believe the same thing. Is it merely arbitrary that we think it was right for the Israelites to practice genocide but not for Muslims? Couldn’t a radical Muslim offer every explanation for genocide that I’ve stated above to defend Israel’s practice?

William Lane Craig wrote an essay in which he seeks to answers these questions. He distinguishes the Israelite practice and jihad in several ways.

1) Islam sees violence as a means of propagating the Muslim faith. By contrast, the Israelites were carrying out God’s judgment against the unrighteousness of certain people groups not attempting to convert them to Judaism.

2) The slaughter of the Canaanites represented an unusual historical circumstance, not a regular means of behavior.

Are either of these answers satisfactory to anyone? Do the ethics differ if you are slaughtering to propagate your faith or carrying out judgment? If God had commanded the Israelites to slaughter people groups for the purpose of the propagation of Judaism wouldn’t that be sufficient to justify the practice?

Furthermore, when it comes to considering the question of the ethical difference between the Israelite practice of hāram and the radical Muslim practice of jihad does the frequency of the behavior matter?

Craig’s initial attempts at explanation are actually more confusing than they are helpful. However, he eventually comes to consider the real issue when he says, “The problem with Islam, then, is not that it has got the wrong moral theory; it’s that it has got the wrong God.” This is precisely the difference. I don’t think that there is any reason that one could offer in defense of the Israelite practice of genocide in the OT that could not also be used to defend the Muslim practice of genocide. The difference is more basic than that. We distinguish difference of which God is the true God and whether one has in fact received such a command. If Allah is not the true God, then Muslims are deluded and their behavior is immoral. The ethics of such behavior does not depend on its conformity to preconceived views of ethics but rather depends on obedience to the will of the one true God. Furthermore, Yahweh’s will is not arbitrary. He does not command just any and every behavior such that one can answer “it is the will of Yahweh.” He is God who has a definite nature and character from which he issues his command for us. Though it is not possible that God should issue a command contrary to his character, Christians may rightly ask whether God would issue a particular command or not. Muslims however, have a god whose character is so mysterious that they do not even have a starting point for answering whether a particular command would be out of character for Allah. He is a god who can lie to someone if he so chooses. When Abraham considers the command to sacrifice his son whom God has said will be his heir the option of God having deceived him or not keeping his promise does not enter into his mind. According to Hebrews 11:19, he sought to reconcile God’s command to sacrifice his son and God’s promise that “In Isaac your seed shall be called” by believing that God could raise the dead. In other words, he believed that God tells the truth. He does not decieve and he is a just God. While Islam could offer the same explanation for the practice of jihad that Christians offer for the Israelite practice of hāram, it nevertheless an arbitrary answer for Muslims since their God does not obligate himself to act in accord with his nature. Thus, literally any answer that a Muslim would offer would be just as consistent with the command of Allah.  The doctrine of God in Islam cannot account for why one answer is better than another for the practice of jihad.  But not just any answer will suffice for an explanation of genocide in the OT for Christians. We are trying to reconcile this practice with the revealed and definite character of Yahweh. Yes, he may command what he wills, but there is more to the story: Yaweh will not contradict his character or his word. Muslims cannot say the same for Allah.

[I thank Chris Gates for making the important point that if Muslims began to worship the true God, this would not justify their practice of jihad but rather cause them to cease this practice.]

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26 Responses to The Ethics of Old Testament Genocide and Radical Islamic Jihad

  1. I was thinking the same thing throughout my reading of your post. As John MacArthur stated on Larry King Live, “It’s the wrong god!” The true God himself is the only defense of the ancient Israelite practice of hāram, and the only refutation of the Islamic practice of Jihad. Nowhere were the descendants of Ishmael, nor any other people group besides Israel, given authority from God to do such things. Islam does not have its moral concepts wrong (for the most part), they have their god wrong.

  2. P.S. By stating that Islam does not have its moral concepts wrong, I am in no way endorsing the practice of Jihad should they get God right. Thank God for Christ.

  3. OFelixCulpa says:

    John,

    Good points.

    It is very difficult for people in our culture to see the answer because the notion of pluralism that dominates us rigidly forbids us to make any moral judgments about a religion (though it often seems quite willing to exempt Christianity from such protection against criticism). Once Craig brought himself (whether consciously or not) to disregard that (the highest of pluralist principles), the answer was exceedingly simple.

    Actually, doesn’t nearly every ethical judgment requires us to defy–to some degree–that principle?

    KWR

  4. We like to forget about Deut. 20 in this, don’t we? That chapter (my favorite in the Bible, in fact!) describes God’s laws and rules concerning war in the Bible, and documents the two types of war authorized by God: normal, and herem (kill ‘em all).
    Normal warfare is relatively civil, in fact. (And the passage addresses environmental concerns also.) Has an all-volunteer force, uses diplomacy, etc.
    Most people either don’t know about it, or perhaps don’t want to know.

  5. OFelixCulpa says:

    Kenneth,

    I don’t think anyone is forgetting about the distinctions you describe. The question to be answered is how can we condone the Canaanite genocide carried out by Israel but condemn the genocide advocated by certain modern radical Muslims? The motivation behind both is the desire to be obedient to divine command.

    John,

    I forgot to ask in my last comment; what is the incident of cannibalism to which you refer? I don’t remember any.

    KWR

  6. Fraiser says:

    Ken,

    Thanks for commenting. I almost used Deut 20 to demonstrate my point but felt that the Numbers text more clearly showed the
    brutality of haram. While Deut 20 gives a standard for attacking foreign cities that is less severe than the standard for attacking neighboring cities, (as KWR points out) I’m not sure this fact does much to morally distinguish the practice of haram from radical jihad. Perhaps we are missing the import of this distinction. If so please show us where.

    Kevin,

    2 Kings 6:28-29 contains the disturbing example of the the Aramite siege on Samaria which produced severe famine. In their struggle to survive, two women made a pact to cook and eat one lady’s
    son one day and the other ladies son the next. After they ate one son the woman asked the other woman to give up her son so that they could eat him too, but the woman had hidden her son. The woman whose son was eaten asked the King of Israel to judge between them.

    Now THAT’S a story.

  7. OFelixCulpa says:

    John,

    Yes, now I remember. I guess it didn’t occur to me before because I was thinking of conquerors eating their enemies.

    KWR

  8. lisa says:

    I thought that the Muslim God Allah is the same as the God we Christians believe in, i.e., the God of Abraham. At least, that is what I learned in school, and that was a long time ago, but it’s why I have never understood why Muslims and Christians can’t agree on the Word of God.

  9. Fraiser says:

    Lisa,

    I suppose this is as good a time as any to reconsider whether everything you were taught in school is correct. I don’t know what school you went to, but my guess is that the importance of accurately teaching the theology of both Christianity and Islam was not the foremost concern. At times I must confess that when I see the turmoil that exists and has existed between Christians and Muslims, I wish I could say that the Muslim god is the same as the Christian God. But I cannot. According to Christianity, God is necessarily a Trinity. He is three persons and one God. Islam strictly rejects belief in the Trinity and considers it absolutely false. The Koran is quite clearly antagonistic toward Trinitarian belief (Surah 5:116-117). This then is no slight difference between Christianity and Islam.

    Christianity says that Christ is divine. He is the Lord of all creation and deserves our highest worship. Islam says that Jesus is just a prophet and not even the greatest prophet at that. These are irreconcilable differences between the two religions.

    Imagine two people discussing a fellow named Bob. The first person asks the other if he knows Bob. The second person says, “Oh, yes. Bob is a tall black man who likes to ride roller costers.” The first person replies, “No, the Bob I’m talking about is a short chubby white fellow who hates roller costers.” At this point it is clear that they are talking about different fellows named Bob.

    The fact that Christians worship Christ and not Allah relates to the reason that Muslims and Christians can’t agree on what constitutes the word of God. Christians cannot accept a book that claims to be the word of God but teaches contrary to the Christian Scripture in many ways.

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  11. Emi says:

    Both Old testament and Koran report very violent stories and brutal killings. The main difference in my understanding is though that the OT does not command violence but only reports violent happenings in the past. Otherwise said: In the Koran I find commandments to kill others without limitations in time or space if certain circumstances are given – a general rule – while the OT only reports about killings that happened in the past without setting a rule for the future and limited in time and space. Therefore these OT stories can not be used to justify violence in another time and space. On the other hand the Koran commands violence in any time and space if certain circumstances are given and also “as a means of propagating the Muslim faith”.

  12. Fraiser says:

    Emi,

    You make an excellent point here. While I think your statement that “the OT does not command violence but only reports violent happenings in the past” can be misleading (since it doesn’t just report the happenings, it also reports Yahweh’s commands to do violence toward certain enemies), your overall point is very perceptive. It is not by coincidence that no Christians are using the violence in the OT to justify violence while many Muslims are using the Koran to justify their bloodshed. This seems to be because the Koran leaves the violence against the infidel open-ended while the OT does not.

    Thanks for making this point.

  13. Emi says:

    Fraiser

    Thanks for your kind reply and for pointing out that the OT does not “only report violent happenings” – as I wrote – but that in fact in the OT Yahweh actually commanded to do violence. I agree that my imprecision can be misleading and it is important to be precise and I am thankful for the correction. Also happy to assert that also God’s commands re violence in the OT are – according to my knowledge – limited in time and space and thus can not be used to justify violence in the present or future. And unfortunately the Koran contains commands which are not limited in time and space – open-ended. And I think that is the main and an important difference. A good read in that context is: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/696408/posts

  14. MDC says:

    It rather amazes me that anyone could be satisfied with the shallowness of the reasoning presented here. “Our God is the true God; therefore, when he commands genocide, it must be good!” Wow. That’s a total abdication of moral responsibility.

    I’m sure the jihadists say exactly the same thing when justifying their killing.

    • Fraiser says:

      MDC,

      Like you, I am sure that jihadists say the same thing when justifying their killing. However, there are some important distinctions between what Christians say about these passages I cite and what jihadists say. First, I am not aware of any Christians who think that we are to kill non-Christians in order to inherit eternal life. But for jihadists killing and suicidal killing is important for pleasing Allah and gaining eternal life. Second, we do not read the passages in the Old Testament about genocide as normative. God does not command us to kill nations. He gave a specific command to specific people at a specific time. Third, the Old Testament commands were not given to individuals but to a nation. This was one nation going to war with another, not individuals killing other individuals. These were acts of war by one nation on another. These are important differences between what was commanded in the Old Testament and what jihadists claim today.

      But ultimately what makes the difference is that Yahweh is the one true God, and Allah is not. So when you say that jihadists say that Allah is the one true God, it doesn’t matter much to me because I don’t think that just because we make a similar claim that the status of our claims are equal. Just because I claim to be the president of the US, doesn’t mean that when the president makes the same claim that the status of claims are the same. He’s the president and I’m not. Yahweh has the authority to tell the nation of Israel what they should do because he is the true God. Allah does not have this authority because he is a false god. That’s the difference.

      • Mike says:

        What a biased discussion! I suppose this is to be expected from a predominantly Christian forum. Has anyone critically asked whether the premise that Muslims engage in violent acts to please God is in fact true? Islam is a legalistic faith, like Judaism and combat is governed by strict rules. Has anyone here heard of that or acted to pursue that fact beyond the crass demonization of Muslims as the “other”? Uh, no. Well there are in fact very defined rules of combat and the above entirely misses that. Those rules are not to “spread Islam” but for defensive reasons and for the protection of the oppressed etc. I suppose a forum where the idea is accepted that Muslims worship another god other than God himself would produce such a parochial and self serving discussion. Good luck finding the truth. Ultimately people enjoy the small confines of their Cody worldviews and dogmas. Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus all! We are stuck in a child-like state of “in-group” and “out-group”, “us” and “them”, and really what we want to feel is “we are better, more justified, more rightly-guided”….or simply, “We have the Truth!”. Sad.

  15. Mike says:

    PS: my thoughts do NOT justify the misinterpretation of faith by extremists in any religion. The problem regarding conflict with Muslims is not about religion. It’s about our misadventures in the world, our soldiers on foreign soil, our foreign policies, our support for oppressive dictators etc. Islam is just a hijacked medium of protest. Where were the “terrorists” before the foreign occupation of Muslim lands? In the last 1000 years there has scarcely been a 5 year period without armed Europeans on Muslim soil. Not only in Medieval times, but till the present day. This whole ugly targeting of Islam is currently quite in tune with the foreign militaristic agenda of the USA. It manufactures national consent quite effectively through the medium of religion (Christianity) made subservient to political interest. But who wants to see this right? It’s easier to ride this jingoistic current because it strikes at a primitive emotional core we all possess. It’s called the lust for self-righteousness. Christian America, I am ashamed of how far you have veered from the spirit and teachings of the sublime Messiah, Jesus Christ, who commands eternal glory. Maybe when he returns you’ll hang your heads in shame

  16. The main theme throughout this thread seems to focus on of acts of terror perpetrated by Muslim “jihadists.” A thorough investigation into social unrest, violence and terrorism throughout history points to another sect of society being largely responsible.

    It wasn’t a Muslim who told a university audience that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for their country”; it was Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu referring to Israel.

    It isn’t Muslim countries that have hundreds of nuclear warheads and submarines equipped with cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads with a 900-mile range; it is Israel.

    It isn’t Muslims that have a powerful political lobby capable of extorting vast sums of money from the US and Germany; it is Israel.

    It wasn’t a Muslim who boasted “We [our people] control America, and the Americans know it”; it was Israeli statesman, retired general and Israel’s former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

    It wasn’t Muslims who took control of The New York Times in 1896, or who indeed own and control much of the mainstream media today; it was and is Jews.

    It wasn’t a Muslim who boasted “I want America to know about our accomplishment. I don’t care if Americans think we’re running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them”; it was Joel Stein, a Jewish columnist for the LA Times.

    It wasn’t a Muslim who stated “Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy”, and “A people who have been persecuted for 2000 years must be doing something wrong”; it was Henry Kissinger, Jew, Bilderberger and Nobel Peace Prize recipient.

    It wasn’t a Muslim who stated “Since many Jews are Zionists, they must be an incident in a far-reaching plan. We can only ignore the truth for so long before it bites us. The international bankers created and financed Hitler. Ultimately they are responsible for the Holocaust.”; it was Henry Makow Ph.D, Canadian Jewish historian and author.

    It isn’t Muslims who are charging a world-wide secret food tax based on a religious doctrine; it is the Jews. (The Evil Kosher Scam)

    It wasn’t a Muslim whose father was a senior aide to a man who in 1937 was commander of the Irgun gang, a Jewish terrorist organization responsible for atrocities like the King David Hotel bombing; it was Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu.

    It wasn’t Muslims who attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 Americans and had the US President saying “I don’t give a damn if every man drowns and the ship sinks. I don’t want to embarrass our allies”; it was Israel.

    It wasn’t Muslims who had established a reputation for having the capability to stage false-flag terror attacks, i.e. to target U.S. forces and make it look like the act of a third party, prior to 9/11; it was the Mossad.

    It isn’t Muslims who routinely employ weapons such as phosphorus shells and cluster bomblets to inflict grave and horrific injuries on civilians; it is Israel.

    It isn’t a Muslim nation that holds the world record for defying UN resolutions and violating International Law; it is Israel.

    It isn’t a Muslim nation that ranks in the Top 10 for rapes per capita; it is Canada (#5) and the United States (#9). The Islamic nations of Qatar, Indonesia, Yemen and Saudi Arabia rank #57, #62, #63 and # 65 respectively.

    It isn’t a Muslim nation whose immigration policy discriminates on the basis of religion; it is Israel’s, where only Jews are allowed to live permanently while any Palestinians (whether Muslim or Christian) are barred from ever returning if they leave. Meanwhile, Iran is home to the world’s second largest Jewish community.

    It wasn’t a Muslim who was awarded a Congressional Gold medal for his contribution to ‘global morals’ and who stated “All Jews are good by nature… Jews are the pride of creation, the Goyim (gentiles) are the scum.”; it was Rabbi Menachem Schneerson who taught that “Jewish and Gentile souls are fundamentally different.”

    It wasn’t a Muslim who said “Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive”; it was Harold Rosenthal, Jewish assistant to Sen. Javits of New York in 1976.

    It wasn’t a Muslim who said, “The word anti-Semitism should be eliminated from the English language. It serves only one purpose today. It is used as a smear word.”; it was Jewish businessman and author Benjamin H. Freedman, “Facts are Facts”, 1954

    It wasn’t Muslims who were arrested and charged in stealing more than $42 million from programs established in New York to help Holocaust survivors; it was Jews.

    It wasn’t Muslims who were arrested and charged in a massive FBI sting with trafficking in human organs and money laundering; it was Jews. (including two New Jersey mayors and several rabbis).

    It wasn’t Muslims who lobbied the Canadian government to have British MP George Galloway barred from entering the country to give a peace talk on the Palestine/Israeli conflict; it was the Jewish Defense League.

    It isn’t Muslims who own the greater portion of the multibillion-dollar adult and kiddy-porn industry, (cousin to Jewish-owned Hollywood); it is Jews.

    It wasn’t a Muslim who said, “the only reason we are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks”; it was Jewish pornographer Al Goldstein.

    It isn’t the Muslims “holy book” that condones pedophilia among its priests; it is the Jews and their holiest book, the Babylonian Talmud.

    It isn’t Muslims who have been expelled from countries on numerous occasions, it is Jews who keep getting kicked out as soon as the host gets wise to the fact that Jews’ only loyalty is to their own tribe, rather than the host nation to whom Jews pose as an “ally”.

    It wasn’t Muslims who were caught red-handed forging fake “smoke” onto wartime photographs of Auschwitz; it was the Simon Wiesenthal Center, whose suitability as guardians of truth is comparable to a choice of Count Dracula as a maintainer of blood banks. Elie Wiesel is one of many alleged Holocaust survivors proven a fraud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWorzfCppDg

    It wasn’t a Muslim who filed a lawsuit to remove “Under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance; it was a Jew. It wasn’t a Muslim who filed a lawsuit to remove the Ten Commandments from a U.S. courthouse; it was a Jew. It wasn’t a Muslim who filed a lawsuit to force New York public schools to take down colored lights; it was a Jew. It wasn’t a Muslim who filed a lawsuit to force the National Park Services in California to remove a cross from Mojave National Preserve; it was a Jew.

    It wasn’t the Muslim War Veterans who criticized the presence of crosses on U.S. war memorials and military bases; it was the Jewish War Veterans. It wasn’t a Muslim who wanted Christmas trees in the Seattle airport to be removed; it was a Jew. It wasn’t a Muslim who wants to remove the Spanish Cross from the L.A. County Seal; it was a Jew. It isn’t Muslims who want to abolish Christmas; it is the Jews, carrying out their Jewish strategy to de-Christianize America.

    It wasn’t Muslims who caused a huge uproar over Mel Gibson’s movie, ‘The Passion of the Christ’ because it exposed the fact the Pharisees were a dominant force in the crucifixion of Christ; it was the Jews. (The modern Jew belongs to a religion that “traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees.” – Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, 1948, Vol. 8, pg. 474.)

    “The murder of American President John F. Kennedy brought to an abrupt end the massive pressure being applied by the U.S. administration on the government of Israel to discontinue the nuclear program. Had Kennedy remained alive, it is doubtful whether Israel would today have a nuclear option.” – Dr. Avner Cohen, internationally acclaimed expert on Israel’s nuclear program and author of the book, “The Worst Kept Secret: Israel’s Bargain with the Bomb”.

    It is not the “international Muslim” who has much to answer for; it is the “international Jew.” 

    DECLARATION: NO MUSLIMS PROVEN INVOLVED IN 9/11 – Veterans Today

    Put that in your jihadist pipes and smoke it.
     

    • brad says:

      - a truthful response to ‘truth-watcher’ (a pun name if any)
      It wasn’t any other prophet who married and consumated with a *SIX_YEAR OLD BABY-GIRL*, who *ADULTERATED & then STOLE* their very own adopted sons wife, had thirteen other wives (out of a permissable four), who Regulary raped his *SIXTY-FIVE SEX-SLAVES* – slaves who he had recently capured in battle and made widows by butchering their husbands and fathers and sons – What a douche-bagurses be upon him} (Gal 1:8)

      It wasn’t any other modern prophet (after Peaceful Jesus’ first visit) who genocided whole cities and made slaves and concubines of the captured women and little-girls. This complete douch-bag{cbuh}(Gal1:8) made all 1000’s-males drop their pants and if any pubic-hair was found (some boys no older than 10-11 years old) where they where all publically be-headed – all supervised by douche-bag{cbuh}. the lucky 800 butchered, the rest became slaves.

      It wasn’t any other modern prophet (after Peaceful Jesus’ first visit) who fought and lead in over 85 battles – mainly banditry pirate raids on *PEACEFUL ARABIAN CARAVANS* to finanace his evil Satanic Death-Cult (Sura 8 = “Spoils of War Booty”).

      It wasn’t the ideas and theology of any other prophet (after / before Peaceful Jesus’ first visit) who within 85years had *brutally conquered* & *brutally subdued* (plague-ridden, battle-weary) scores of Christian-Lands of Byzanthium and Christian-Persia —- —- —- can we Xtains have * * * * A L L * * * * these lands back please (and their original peoples), and then you muslims (Arabs, Ishmaelites etc) can have the only land that is really theirs – the world-polluting *Deserts-of-Arabia* !

      It wasnt any other prophet who * TORTURED PEOPLE *, made people blind, amputated limbs, suppressed and oppressed others, made all womens lives an *UTTER-MISSERY* having to be owned by a man or boy (whether she was a woman or girl), stoned to death, assassinated-critics, lied, decieved, misled evil, evil evil evil etc etc !

      *********************

      There is *NO OTHER PROPHET{CBUH} (Gal1:8) – who took all of the Old-Testament Nasties (and more) and made a Legalistic-Satanic-Death-Cult responsible for the ****LEGAL SLAVERY OF OVER 200Million****
      and the ***GENOCIDE & ETHIC CLEANSING of a further 200-Million Peoples****** (perhaps far more if we are only using the conservative 128 million Hindu’s butchered in the hindu-cush).

      “the Truth Watch” tries to blams the Jews ( a fraction of 0.02% of world population) and yet chooses to miss ‘the whole forest in the eye’ of his own sick religion – the fact that douche-bag PROPHET MOHAMAD(CBUH) is so obviously worshipping Satan !

  17. brad says:

    IMHO –
    The Old-Testament has (for those being brave and *honest*) obviously been “torn into two” !
    * where the 5 books of ‘the-law’, where written in todays KSA(Saudi-Arabia),
    *Jobs friends naes where all from KSA,
    * Elija, Moses, st Paul spent 3-years at Mnt Paran (aka mnt Horeb, aka mnt Sinai) in KSA,
    * Ishmael (wild-man of a donkey & derset-scape-goat ) was sent away in disgrace to the KSA and given over to the devil (Azuael)
    * Prophet Mohammad{CBUH} (Gal1:8) was ‘a son of Ishmael’ whilst & Jesus was ‘a son of’ Isaac (a mountain sheep-sacrifice).
    * the bible has hundreds of references to Ishmaelites & Arabs (hidden and open) and even st Paul goes onto describe Xtians not being like muslims (all legalistic “sons-of-hagar” but “sons-of-freedom” Sarah).
    * Islam has so obviously taken its morals (whether this was intentional of divinely inspired) as a *negative of Xtian Morals*
    * ALL of Islams teachings a Directly and Equally opposed to every Christian moral-teaching – the evry top command in Islam is “No Shirk” = identifying equals with God = No Jesus as Christ Messiah !
    * Jesus-Christ’s very top command was to “LOVE EVEN YOUR ENEMIES”, “TURN the OTHER CHEEK”, “DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU”, “the GOOD SAMARITAN” — repeated as the very top command over 40 N.T. seperate occassions !

    again IMHO
    – Momo{CBUH}(Gal 1:8) took all of the OT Nasties for his Satanic-Death-Cult
    – & Jesus(God-Incarnate) took all of the OT NICEYS for his Xtian-Followers to live by !

  18. one problem with christians is that when obnoxious information is detected in their corrupted bible they it is no more applicable.why the church in europe relied on the same biblical command to kill millions during crusades and other atrocities in americas , africa and asia.they now trying to cover these wrongdoing by branding islam as violent religion. quran never command extertimination of a race including innocent children ,but bible did

  19. one problem with christians is that when obnoxious information is detected in their corrupted bible they say it is no more applicable.why the church in europe relied on the same biblical command to kill millions during crusades and other atrocities in americas , africa and asia.they are now trying to cover these wrongdoing by branding islam as violent religion. quran never command extertimination of a race including innocent children ,but bible did

  20. brad says:

    Again, imho it seems quite obvious that Moses & Mohamad (curses be upon him) where utter monsters. And what they did is untenable and utterly barbaric (barbaric being a term derived from the *islamic* barbary pirates).
    ** Jesus (God incarnate) commands christians to love even our enemies and often rejected, broke, and even ridicued the O.t. laws (working on sundays, not washing hands, drinking wine, turn other cheek (directly against eye-4-eye retribution) – He will have revenge (as God) not us (we must leave all vengeance to Him).
    ** Mohamad(curses be upon him)(galatians 1.8) was an utter pervert, a bandit gangster, a slave trading turturing bastard and a complete muppet – a son of Ishmael (not isaac) – a 666 desert “lord of war”.
    ——————-
    Thus the Old Testament was torn into two (ying yang so to speak).
    * jesus took all the nice positives from the Old-testament for His New-Covenant.
    * Momo(cbuh) mr 666 son-of-ishma’el took all of the O.T. negatives for his koran.

  21. but evil bible teaches that even if you kill, rape, lie, plunder other nations’s wealth as christian during crusade wars and colonisation of africa they still be saved and covered by blood of jesus. this is fraud

    • No, it doesn’t say that. If someone does those things, they must repent and ask God’s forgiveness. If they don’t, they will go to hell. Only Islam teaches that the way to heaven is by killing the infidel. The Christian faith teaches that we are to love our enemies and do good to those who hate us. Trust in Jesus, Ibrahim.

  22. christians are people of deceiption. the evil bible tells us that jesus said he did not come to bring peace but sword. pursuant to that the church in spain then issued a religious decree to the effect that all muslims must convert to filthy christianity or be killed . 2/3 of muslims put on sword and the rest fled or converted by force. the same atrocity was committed by the church during crusade wars where more than 20m muslims put to sword in jesus’s name. in nigeria the christians, under the direction of church leaders , killed more than 2m muslims in plateau and kaduna states, got the dead bodies roasted and eatened.the same act of genocide was committed by christians in central african republic. all the perpetrators of these atrocities are covered by blood of jesus. the aspect of love , as stated by the rev, is just an exception on individual relations. the rev also lied when he said muslims are commanded to kill infidels to earn paradise.in islam military confrontation is only allowed for self defence or for the protection of the oppressed. even under these circumstances rules of engagement prescribed by sharia have to be observed to the effect that women , children,, old and christian or jewish priest shall not be killed unlike the case under the evil bible where the command is to kill all including women with exception of girls who did not know men to be taken as sex slaves.note the quran explicitly stated that only those who carry arms to be killed. as such killing of non- muslim civilian is absolutely prohibited. the barbaric sliting of throat by alqaeda, isis, boko haram is absolutely unislamic and allah will caste the perpetrators in hellfire. but the reverend as mischief never cared to know all these before opening his mouth and said that muslims can kill infidels

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